Matrix - Is the Matrix Real [Matrix Forum]
· May 16, 2003, 2:33 AM
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Evo sad cu citirati zanimljivu teoriju o kojoj briju fanovi na forumu matrixa:
Kratko i jasno
, ovaj Dj nije dovoljno puta pogledao film 
Ok, citiram dalje i tek sad vidim sta sljedi, ajme ovaj jedan tip je lud!
Ma svaka mu cast, taj je stvarno shvatio film i volio bih da mi bude frend :wink: kidding, ali svejedno, u pravu je!
Citiram dalje: (dokle ce)
Zvuci veoma zastrasujuce jer ako je tako onda je svaka nasa pomisao lazna tj. izprogramirana a mozda su i htjeli da nam se dogodi ovakav film i ovakve pomisli da to isfuramo prije nego li sve shvatimo preozbiljno i mozda mi sami otkrijemo pravu istinu iza virtualne istine (ima razlike ali drugi put o tome).
Ako je Macchus u pravu onda smo jadni i u kurcu i stvarno moramo cekati nekog da nas spasi a taj koji nas moze spasiti nesmije biti spojen sa njihovim kompjuterom/mozgom jer drukcije nemoze imati kontrolu nad sobom. Teorija zvuci jako istinito jer ako oni kao Agenti mogu postati bilo tko od nas tj. ako mi vidimo recimo Neo-ta i Agenti pruzmu kontrolu nad mojim tjelom - to znaci da ako mi nesto vidimo da i oni vide to - a to pak znaci da su oni nase oci i da nas skeniraju nonstop i cak da otkrijemo bug u Matrixu i pokusamo pobjeci iz njega oni bi nas sprijecili prije nego li to pokusamo napraviti, a sprijece nas tako sto nas reprogramiraju.
Tu dolazi do nove teorije o DejaVu jer bas onda kad nas reprogramiraju nastane mali trzaj/blokada u sustavu koji upravlja nama i dozivimo DejaVu kao taj trzaj, mozda bas zato samo neki vide DejaVu u odredeno vrijeme jer su upravo reprogramirani tj. sprijeceni da nesto kazu ili naprave.
To zvuci puno realnije od stare teorije kad netko vidi DejaVu to znaci da se nesto promjenilo u Matrixu, nije tocno jer onda nebi samo ja to primjetio, mislim da nikad nisam cuo dvojicu u isto vrijeme da kazu DejaVu jer da se meni to dogodi sa nekim frendom ondmah bi mi se oslobodio um i napravio nesto sto nikad nisam mogao ni zamisliti!
Citiram dalje: (fuf)
Ocito je Macchus jedini koji zna istinu ovdje (ako istine nema on je svejedno najpametniji ovdje tj. tamo na tom forumu)
Sad bi ja rekao "There is a way to hack the system". Potpuno se slazem s njim, jer ni na nasim danasnjim kompovima nista nije moguce zastititi, sve se moze hakirati i krakirati a mozda neki to vec i rade.....i u ovom i u pravom svijetu jer onda postoji mogucnost ako netko izvana hakira i krakira odredenu osobu onda ta osoba mozda postaje self dependent da neke od nas strojevi izvana nemogu reprogramirati a mozda je to i jedini nacin za one izvana da nas spase, ako je to istina znaci da oni nama daju sansu da se sami izvucemo pokusavajuci shvatiti istinu i osloboditi um od prijasnjih reprogramiranja jer nemogu doci do nas da nas oni spase.
Znate zasto ljudi kazu "nadam se da ima nekog tamo gore"? Zato sto jedino tamo nismo bili! Ako nikad nismo tamo bili zasto bi onda sada netko i bio? hehe, mala spletka
Citiram dalje: (ljudi su trazili da Urban-Dragon jos nesto kaze i nije ga bilo dugo i svi vec pomislili da je otisao i....)
WOW, nemam rijeci, pola nisam skuzio jer ipak nije moja struka ali sam shvatio poantu!
Dalje:
To je to, sve u svemu strava! (cekaj malo...."Sve u svemu" kako je to moguce)....here we go again
Fallow the white rabbit
()()
('_')
(__)o
Macchus wrote:Posted - 03/28/2003 : 09:53:57
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well maybe not the matrix as it exists in the movie (there are a few holes in the whole matrix theory), but can anyone really say that there is NOTHING going on that we aren't aware of?
dj wrote:Posted - 03/29/2003 : 00:56:42
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Just out of curiosity: What are the holes in the matrix theory?
Spirit wrote:Posted - 03/29/2003 : 14:11:22
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Yeah, what are they?
Dinaga wrote:Posted - 03/29/2003 : 14:49:45
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DEJA VU,maybe?
Spirit wrote:Posted - 03/31/2003 : 23:39:17
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I knew you would say that.
Dj wrote:Posted - 04/01/2003 : 01:48:19
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deja vu isn't a hole... when they reprogram something in the matrix, there's a slight lapse as it is loaded in... ie: something happening that has happened before. how is it a hole?
Dinaga wrote:Posted - 04/01/2003 : 06:29:21
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Watch movie again.
Kratko i jasno
, ovaj Dj nije dovoljno puta pogledao film Ok, citiram dalje i tek sad vidim sta sljedi, ajme ovaj jedan tip je lud!
Macchus wrote:Posted - 04/01/2003 : 13:27:38
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I can't remember exactly what the holes are, but give me an hour or so and i'll go find out....
Dinaga wrote:Posted - 04/02/2003 : 08:06:24
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*Looks at clock and wonders*
Macchus wrote:Posted - 04/02/2003 : 10:29:36
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Well, that was a long hour......
Okay, going back through the movie i realised that the "holes" werent' exactly holes....just very questionable questions about the whole system...Most of them can be fixed the same way christianity does it ("The Matrix works in mysterious ways....", which doesn't really solve shit IMO).
First off (and this is more a question about outside the matrix), humans are farmed these days, which means that the achines create them. Due to the large number of humans that would be made, the most logical thing is to think that they would clone them (why would they bother wasting precious energy and time to make each one seperate if they are never going to know anyhow?), and when i think of clones, i usually don't think of vastly different looking clones (is that even possible?). So you would have to presume that there are thousands if not millions of people in the matrix who look the exact same in real life.
While they are in the matrix it's fine, since it's just a Residual Self Image of the person, so they can make themselves look however the hell they want (Which makes me wonder, if they can look however they want, and nobody wants to be fat or ugly, why the hell are there so many of them? :wink: ). Outside the matrix though, it should be a different story. Is it? well i guess we can't really tell, but if my logic is anywhere near right then there would have been a good chance that at least one set of clones should have been on that ship.
Speaking of making babies, the whole pregnancy question comes up. We have sex in the Matrix, we get pregnant in the matrix, we have a baby in the matrix. But we were never pregnant. THat baby was never inside of us. So then, does that baby really exist? or is it just a program created for inside the matrix? Or, do they insert a child into the matrix and then insert them into someones life? If so, that would mean that the machines would have to pre-plan every entry into the matrix? They would have to arrange things such as "DNA" (Since they are all clones, seperate "DNA" would have to be set up for each one based apon the characteristics of the "Mother" and "Father" (whoever the matrix/ robots decide that is to be. THen of course, that "DNA" is then responsible for each charactertic of the person, which means that the whole Residual Self Image idea is shot because how can your mind percieve what your body would look like? Unless of course the machines feed this information into the mind, which then interprets it and creates a body that corresponds with that information.
Now, thats all good and proper, and ties up most loose ends (kinda). But then, you have to ask yourself - With all these set ups, the dna is slowly going to change and change and change until the residual self image looks nothing like the original. And since they are all cloned, How can the Residual Self Image look exactly like the body does in the real world (It's simply not feasible). Add to the fact that if they really are clones, and even if their Residual Self Image looks exactly like their real body does, then there would a lot of people looking the exact same in the Matrix. But they don't.
So how is the whole system run?
I have many more questions, but i won't post them until i know it is worth my time (as you can see I ramble on a bit).
If i'm am not making sense to anyone i won't bother with any more. But if you want me to post more, say so and i will.
Anyhoo, thats all for now.
Ma svaka mu cast, taj je stvarno shvatio film i volio bih da mi bude frend :wink: kidding, ali svejedno, u pravu je!
Citiram dalje: (dokle ce)
Spirit wrote:Posted - 04/02/2003 : 13:38:10
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It is programed to replicat real life so you think and look pregnant and the baby is grown, i would think.
Macchus wrote:Posted - 04/02/2003 : 13:43:56
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thats not the point.
It can program you to think yourself pregnant. thats the easy part.
Just think about the rest of it.
Zvuci veoma zastrasujuce jer ako je tako onda je svaka nasa pomisao lazna tj. izprogramirana a mozda su i htjeli da nam se dogodi ovakav film i ovakve pomisli da to isfuramo prije nego li sve shvatimo preozbiljno i mozda mi sami otkrijemo pravu istinu iza virtualne istine (ima razlike ali drugi put o tome).
Ako je Macchus u pravu onda smo jadni i u kurcu i stvarno moramo cekati nekog da nas spasi a taj koji nas moze spasiti nesmije biti spojen sa njihovim kompjuterom/mozgom jer drukcije nemoze imati kontrolu nad sobom. Teorija zvuci jako istinito jer ako oni kao Agenti mogu postati bilo tko od nas tj. ako mi vidimo recimo Neo-ta i Agenti pruzmu kontrolu nad mojim tjelom - to znaci da ako mi nesto vidimo da i oni vide to - a to pak znaci da su oni nase oci i da nas skeniraju nonstop i cak da otkrijemo bug u Matrixu i pokusamo pobjeci iz njega oni bi nas sprijecili prije nego li to pokusamo napraviti, a sprijece nas tako sto nas reprogramiraju.
Tu dolazi do nove teorije o DejaVu jer bas onda kad nas reprogramiraju nastane mali trzaj/blokada u sustavu koji upravlja nama i dozivimo DejaVu kao taj trzaj, mozda bas zato samo neki vide DejaVu u odredeno vrijeme jer su upravo reprogramirani tj. sprijeceni da nesto kazu ili naprave.
To zvuci puno realnije od stare teorije kad netko vidi DejaVu to znaci da se nesto promjenilo u Matrixu, nije tocno jer onda nebi samo ja to primjetio, mislim da nikad nisam cuo dvojicu u isto vrijeme da kazu DejaVu jer da se meni to dogodi sa nekim frendom ondmah bi mi se oslobodio um i napravio nesto sto nikad nisam mogao ni zamisliti!
Citiram dalje: (fuf)
Neo TheOne wrote:Posted - 04/02/2003 : 15:58:02
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the matrix does not fully control human, they just provide with enough lies to think that it is in a dream world. what it does in the matrix is up to the human. the matrix tells the human that he has chosen to do this and is doing this....i think!!!!!!!
Macchus wrote:Posted - 04/03/2003 : 07:45:11
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I worry about so many things in the matrix. When you really start to break it down (i don't know why anyone would do that though) it gets harder and harder to justify and explain.
Spirit wrote:Posted - 04/03/2003 : 17:47:12
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Leave it at this, its just a movie.
Dinaga wrote:Posted - 04/03/2003 : 18:29:33
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Yes he`s right.
Macchus wrote:Posted - 04/04/2003 : 14:56:51
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Of course it is just a movie. The thing is, i have a tendency to analyse things to death, then criticise, and finally annoy everyone by doing so three times over.
And the matrix is just so full of stuff to do this for....
Ocito je Macchus jedini koji zna istinu ovdje (ako istine nema on je svejedno najpametniji ovdje tj. tamo na tom forumu)
Urban-Dragon wrote:Posted - 04/10/2003 : 05:46:36
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The only question I have about your clone idea and Self image theory. What is DNA.... it is what makes us Unique. and if we are cloned, which involves using DNA. and it is possible to induce Gene therapy on certain types of diseases. Is it not possible to alter DNA to result in different characteristics ? I beleive it is. It may be difficult but possible.
Sad bi ja rekao "There is a way to hack the system". Potpuno se slazem s njim, jer ni na nasim danasnjim kompovima nista nije moguce zastititi, sve se moze hakirati i krakirati a mozda neki to vec i rade.....i u ovom i u pravom svijetu jer onda postoji mogucnost ako netko izvana hakira i krakira odredenu osobu onda ta osoba mozda postaje self dependent da neke od nas strojevi izvana nemogu reprogramirati a mozda je to i jedini nacin za one izvana da nas spase, ako je to istina znaci da oni nama daju sansu da se sami izvucemo pokusavajuci shvatiti istinu i osloboditi um od prijasnjih reprogramiranja jer nemogu doci do nas da nas oni spase.
Znate zasto ljudi kazu "nadam se da ima nekog tamo gore"? Zato sto jedino tamo nismo bili! Ako nikad nismo tamo bili zasto bi onda sada netko i bio? hehe, mala spletka
Citiram dalje: (ljudi su trazili da Urban-Dragon jos nesto kaze i nije ga bilo dugo i svi vec pomislili da je otisao i....)
Urban-Dragon wrote:Posted - 04/10/2003 : 23:18:02
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I guess I should be more specific. DNA A nucleic acid that carries the genetic information in the cell and is capable of self-replication and synthesis of RNA. DNA consists of two long chains of nucleotides twisted into a double helix and joined by hydrogen bonds between the complementary bases adenine and thymine or cytosine and guanine. The sequence of nucleotides determines individual hereditary characteristics.
If "cloning" is possible what is to say that they can not alter the strands that cause specific hereditary characteristics. Such as Hair color, if you are male or female, and probably all other things that make us Unique.. Hence causing us to have different characteristics in the "REAL WORLD" which would reflect into the MATRiX as our self image..
WOW, nemam rijeci, pola nisam skuzio jer ipak nije moja struka ali sam shvatio poantu!
Dalje:
Macchus wrote:Posted - 04/11/2003 : 00:38:50
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But you have to remember that machines are built for the specific purpose of getting something done in the simplest way possible, regardless of AI.
So for them to sit there and mess around with genes when they can simply grown and insert clones makes no sense.
Urban-Dragon wrote:Posted - 04/11/2003 : 02:08:58
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True they are, but remember when agent smith said that the matrix had to be reprogrammed many times to get it correct. Is it not possible that this was one of the needed modifications for the MATRiX to work.
Macchus wrote:Posted - 04/11/2003 : 07:52:05
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could be....we'll never know
Spirit wrote:Posted - 04/13/2003 : 13:07:08
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The ai just cut and paste.
Macchus wrote:Posted - 04/13/2003 : 15:39:45
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oh god.....as long as they aren't running on windows.....
Spirit wrote:Posted - 04/14/2003 : 01:33:54
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Then that means Bill Gates is the matrix!
Veritas wrote:Posted - 04/17/2003 : 19:24:31
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the matrix is not real (i think)
its a digitel/mental simulation of our reality
dont try to bend the spoon.. try to break the agents bones..
Spectre800 wrote:Posted - 04/30/2003 : 21:48:24
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MATRIX= HELLISH HOAX
HUMANS IN MATRIX= LIVING BATTERIES
REAL WORLD= HEAVEN ON EARTH
HUMANS IN REAL WORLD= HEAVEN ON EARTH
WHICH IS BETTER?
YOU MAY HTINK IGNORANCE IS BLISS, BUT YOU ARE BLIND TO THE REAL DANGER.
THE MATRIX HAS YOU
To je to, sve u svemu strava! (cekaj malo...."Sve u svemu" kako je to moguce)....here we go again
Fallow the white rabbit
()()
('_')
(__)o
!